Don and I often converse in many directions. Here is an excerpt from the Winter’s conversation about death.
[Josh] There aren’t [positive] messages around age in the Media…they seem to intensify a fear of death.
[Don] Death is much more real to me.
Has it been a gradual process?
It has been gradual, with quantum leaps at certain birthdays ending in 0 or 5. 55 was big one; I rounded a bend and the castle was closer. And 70 as well. I am aware many die suddenly when they are my age. I am not certain I will be alive tonight. This brings a poignancy in my life with Martha and those close; it makes it more precious.
Is it different from the way you related to death in your 20’s and 30’s?
Back then I knew there was death, but I felt it was so far in the future, I had so much ahead of me, that it wasn’t real, I didn’t really believe it, it was too abstract.
I am thinking of self destructive behaviors.
The reason I stopped self destructive behaviors was because of the way they felt now, or the morning after – not because of their long term effects. The me of the future was abstract. The ego doesn’t care that I buy bananas that come from people’s hard labor, unfairly paid. They are other, and not real. In the same way, the future me who is going to suffer the long term effect of my current behavior, is like other. So ego doesn’t care about him, he is too abstract. Why would ego care about some other person; he cares only about me now.
There seems to be a schism around finding safety, adequacy, peace, in the moment, and having consciousness around the effects of your behaviors in the moment.
Everything I said just then is in brackets, it’s what ego says. When ego tries to find safety, peace, comfort in the moment, it never really succeeds. All of its relationships are based on safety through non-love. Seeing the truth of that, seeing what an utter failure ego has been in making me happy, causes me to relate to it in a different way. I used to believe it unquestioningly. Kind of like if you lived in the south one hundred years ago, and your preacher, the voice of god, there since birth, said you go to hell for eternity if you don’t live according to his rules… often amounting to child abuse, by the way. You assume that’s true. One day you suddenly realize, “Who says so? Why should I assume this guy speaks Truth? It’s bullshit.” That’s the beginning of the end. I do the same with my ego. I can’t stop its thoughts from appearing. But I don’t have to believe them. Not believing your thoughts is one of the great principles.
Is there a way to get there without dogma, conditioning from the fundamentalist perspective; or, going through the experience and suffering through it?
Everyone has a certain amount of suffering to go through, although some have to go through a great deal more than others.
But you say it isn’t necessary.
I don’t really know the answer; but I suspect some suffering in the early stages is necessary. But I think the lessons don’t have to be painful after a certain point. When you suffer, and learn from your suffering, you don’t have to keep suffering to learn new things. Most of my lessons now are not suffering. You ask is there a way. My way is jnana yoga, using the mind as far as it can go, pointing, and then jumping off the cliff and not using the mind to discover the truth, investigating, looking freshly. It’s not a path for the majority of people. To me the way you discover is by being deeply interested. Newton was asked how he discovered the Law of Gravity, and he answered, “By thinking about it all the time.” Making certain things so important that you just don’t let go of them. You are not on some casual new trip. And when something is important it pops up everywhere, and you look at it through many different lenses. The central thing you see is that outer circumstances are completely inadequate and unreliable as a means of making you feel deeply fulfilled and happy.
And the paradox of that is the totality of my experience is through my senses.
Wait. Lets say you were meditating now, looking freshly. You want to experience the totality of consciousness now. You see things, hear sounds, feel the body breathing; but you also notice thoughts, mood, fears, desires, and the pure hum of being alive. That’s not senses. The quality in what we call the inner, which goes along every moment with the outer, is much more conducive to whether you feel deeply comfortable and satisfied than anything in the outer. In meditation I sometimes ask myself, what is it that is keeping me from feeling deeply good right now? It is an interesting question.